Unless you see it on sale, the Pure Rock 2 and Arctic Freezer 34 Esports Duo are both better options at about the same price. [–]Luxurious_Foam 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago* (4 children). Posts should be about hardware news, reviews, technical discussion or how-tos and buyers guides. In fact he says so around 4:50. I have the Liquid Freezer 240 and I was able to find the stats that it is able to dissipate 300 Watts TDP. I've just tried both and the differences between good after-market air cooled cards and water cooled cards were neglegible. One of the few out there I take their word on, Edit: I realize eventually they will fail but I doubt it's anything you have to worry about, [–]-protonsandneutrons- 19 points20 points21 points 9 months ago (27 children). Also theres chance of pump failure & leaks. If they're good and in a good build, AIO CLCs work well. I can buy an AIO computer that's factory sealed (think Apple iMac) vs user-replaceable parts (think this). http://thermalbench.com/category/fans/ and http://www.coolingtechnique.com/recensioni/air-cooling/ventole.html are both sadly inactive sites, but they did a lot of fan testing with a good methodology. Nothing about "hot water" is going to touch a metallic bond. The result is - GPU runs 5-10 degrees cooler (40 C under load vs 50 of the old air cooled card), but is much noisier because you can lower or even tun off fans but the pump is clearly audible producing an annoying hum. Sitting on the upper range of the affordable pricing tier, $67 (£60) might cause budget system builders to balk a bit, but considering the features and performance, it definitely deserves those few extra dollars. ;), [–]ASuarezMascareno 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (6 children). AIO water cooling is considered the best for cooling efficiency short of a custom loop, but is it really? TPU reviewed this unit at 45$ US, while GN showed premium noctua models up to 90$, and liquid coolers up to 160 in my skimming of the video. I don't want to rag on this particular video, but what it fails to consider is how garbage the included fans on CLC's are and that when you stick the AIO in the case, you're introducing further airflow restrictions. The "hot" air coming off a front mounted AIO is nowhere near the CPU temperature when the system is under load - typically it's only a few degrees above ambient temperature. [–]aSc4rYGh0sT 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago (1 child). The amazing thing about it is if the fans ever die, I can swap them out so easily. If you disable password on wake it takes 6 seconds to wake. In lowest TDP bracket (up to 100W) air and AiO coolers with single radiator 120mm range have same capabilities cooling wise. Yeah it’s why I don’t really build in mainstream desktop cases anymore. As hardware enthusiasts, we’re often faced with some sort of compromise when decisions must be made around the purchase of specific components, although the Pure Rock 2 keeps those to a minimum. The look: same. I've been using it for about 1.5 years. [–]MlNDB0MB 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (0 children). Do NOT editorialize the title of the submission (minor changes for clarity may be acceptable). Just one more question. Or maybe two: gosh are their sentences convoluted… and for people priding themselves on being rigorous, scientific method minded, the number of innuendos and half blanket statement are staggering. [–]wankthisway 53 points54 points55 points 9 months ago (70 children). They can also be louder and less efficient at moving heat away from your choice of CPU and out of the chassis, though that’s not always the case. [–]spazdep 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). And heat cycling only affects things outside the heatpipe, things the heatpipe is connected to: nothing changes about a heatpipe's functionality when it's 40.0048 cm vs 40.0000 cm. Rendered by PID 20535 on r2-app-064eb071d180ac51a at 2021-01-09 04:10:17.472428+00:00 running d8cca48 country code: IT. So there was a feedback loop holding the GPU temperature at the safe maximum. I got the 360 AIO cooler, it works like a charm. [–]Luxurious_Foam 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (1 child). Did you watch a different video? I'll bookmark TPU; I hadn't gone there in ages... [–]Ibuildempcs 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). I changed the fans because I did not like them and I changed them for some noctua. Currently I'm still rocking H80i for cooling my i7-4770 from 2014 back then. Not really, or maybe if you prefer the aesthetics of an AIO. Personally I like the looks of it in my 011 case as well as I prefer to have less RBG in my builds and went for a white and black build. And there's an obvious reason for that, too: when we review a video card, it's a one-off instance. When we review liquid coolers, it's a one-off instance. and join one of thousands of communities. Remember, the sintering application process itself only works at 800 C in a copper heat pipe. IMO, it’s not unreasonable to replace a cooler once every 6-7 years. [–]VenditatioDelendaEst 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (5 children). Again, the liquid cooled GPU did not have to run the fans on 100% and yet it remained cool and the stable overclock brought a 20% increase in performance. Read: be quiet! Why? if true. But to be fair, it's a little bit undervolted. I'd be interested to see statistics on AIO & fans failure rates, like there are for hard drives. You should note that the tubing position for AIOs is important for getting rid of pump noise. If you can keep your GPU cool, it will automatically be faster even if you've never changed a single setting, [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), i wanna see some real testing with the thermalright true spirit 140 power. Turns out it's usually the pump that just meekly dies out first. [–]Atmosphere91 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). New York, © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. How in the hell did they get CPU temperatures above 75°C with a GPU-bound benchmark from 2009? Also correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most CLCs require you to use usb header and additional software? This method transfers heat away from the CPU via the coolant, and the â¦ A Ryzen 3700X has 88W PPT at stock and the lowest GN test is 123W with differences already being miniscule. [–]fiah84 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago* (0 children), depends 100% on where the cooler gets its air from. [–]-Y0- 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). Between that and the x570, what is the deal with putting small unreplaceable fans on things? but the one that I have if they can be changed. Is a cooler that keeps the cpu at 60C really better than a cooler that keeps it at 65C at the same noise level? A greeting and thanks for your answer. type questions. a reputable force of the PC industry. I think this is the only reason I am going to keep sticking with AIO solutions for now. that make an air cooler much simpler overall. And now this man just ended Linus' career, [–]kryish 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago (2 children), [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 9 months ago (1 child), it's a meme/joke "I'm about to end this whole man's career" For this reason I run my AIO fans somewhat higher than necessary to always have some air moving over the GPU and VRMs. I mean obviously there's justified reasons for leaving a machine on 24/7(you need remote access or are mining or folding or something), but the electricity costs are real and people are ignorant about them. Best Gaming CPUs GPUs, sure, but I do not know of any CPU who cares about 60C vs 65C. TL; DW, liquid is slightly better per dollar and per normalized noise than air. [–]DerHeftigeDruck 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). It's a solid low-priced, low-noise cooler at around the same price as the Pure Rock 2, with a simplified installation compared to previous models. If you have a different case it might be different. But yeah poking around the answer appears to be that they last long enough that even embedded systems don't need to worry. Incomplete AMD and Intel CPU socket support, Thermal probe provides thermal load display via RGB lighting, Fans kick up a bit more noise than others by comparison, Tall cooler height poses compatibility issues in smaller cases, Thermal performance trails off at low fan speeds, Archived comments are found here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3707693/cooling.html. Feels like most people don’t know this and then complain about extreme amounts of pump noise that shouldn’t exist when used properly. That video clarified a long asked question and I'm thankful for it. At some point this year I might change my NH15 for a ~$140 AIO, mainly to free the space around the CPU, and I've never been sure on what to choose (been on Noctua for a decade already). [–]QuadraKev_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), I guess an open bench doesn't really account for air that can get trapped/recycled in a case, [+]87gsodfybsdfhvgbkdfh comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 months ago (9 children). [–]diomsidney -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago (0 children). Replaced it with NH-D15 few months ago because I started to get scared of Kühler breaking down. I also have the H115i Corsair Hydro Platinum AIO unit. Enough bloatware everywhere, esp. Max. Can't go wrong with a massive fucking rock, even if the fans fail. Is there any data on the failure rate of heat tubes? That puts dilemma only to personal preference and case mounting possibilities. [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). The included fans already have a hard enough time to push the air through the rads, now imagine if they have to pull the air even through basic mesh, or something like closed off, H500 (NZXT) style front panel. This is truly a "buy it once and it will last you for 20 years" type of product. [–]bitch_fitching 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]Cable_Salad -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (0 children). My antec Kühler 620 has been running for 9 years now. Neither as cool nor as quiet as Noctua's NH-U14S, the Artice Freezer 50 TR got our attention for its lower price. The cheapest AIO liquid cooling setups can cost as much as the best air coolers on the market. They are "free" (emphasis on the quotation mark), where do they fit in this? [–]manesag 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), I’ve had my X61 since 2016, no issue at all. On some subs you can still get crucified for suggesting a 240mm CLC when it fact here, it does seem to objectively be a good purchase in some instances. But, in terms of aesthetics, I still prefer the AIO solution. Even overclocking it rarely matter. [–]some_craic_dealer 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (2 children). And there are absolutely reasons to go with air cooling: a good entry-level air cooler is typically about $20 less expensive than an entry-level liquid cooler, and has the potential to be quieter to boot. OC is where water cooling really starts to make a lot of sense and differences become more pronounced. While air coolers dissipate heat by using direct contact between heat pipes and processor, All-In-One (AIO) coolers use a coolant to transfer the heat from a processor to radiator. I guess a lot of ppl dont have that knowledge, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago (0 children). The performance will look a lot worse than it did in this testing. And without even touching the scaling for price. AIOs should have an even larger advantage over air coolers when mounted in a case. usage CPU temps are a few degrees higher or lower as long as you aren't overclocking? Been thinking on doing a mITX build for years now but the top SFF cases are so expensive I just figured putting the money saved towards the GPU is a better investment. [–]Isiam 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). If money isn't that much of an object and quiet operation and low temperatures are important to you, you may want to consider a custom cooling loop. They absolutely will. You plug it and it's now working. [–]lamg4 18 points19 points20 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]Type-21 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). and 'How long until (something obvious) happens?' I think the main selling point with traditional tower heatsinks is that once they are installed they are trouble free. The Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M is our pick for an excellent performing mid-size air cooler, especially considering the aggressively designed exterior shell and the inclusion of addressable RGB lighting from within the cooling tower itself. As in how many watts of energy it can dissipate or cool, etc. [–]PyroKnight 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). Arctic AIO's would be at the top of my list too if it wasn't for their poor warranty period and the lack of coverage for part damage in said warranty. [–]overdark33 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). The intake is outside air and the exhaust is outside air: you can't beat that. Liquid cooling? CLC = everything included, permanently sealed. You could throw the same fans on the air cooler too for that comparison. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). As far as I know heat pipes don't fail. I can replace a failing/ticking fan on an air cooler (and might even improve the characteristics depending on the model), good luck getting a pump replaced in an AIO out of warranty. Air cooling always wins. Unlike air cooling, where setup consists of plugging in a fan, water cooling is very complex. Max. Like my Meshfiy C has room for two 140/120mm fans on top, but not a 280mm AIO as there is not enough clearance, also if you have tall ram even a 240mm cooler could be trouble. [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-28 points-27 points-26 points 9 months ago (3 children). It's always good to know stuff like this. Best Motherboards Over the last few years I've noticed a lot of cases just miss out on top mounting radiator compatibility for the sake of a few mm. Heatpipes are limited in the wattage they can transfer, so past a certain point the effectiveness of an air cooler will plummet. Liquid cooling is reliable and overall has a low failure rate and most failures are not catastrophic, meaning they don't typically explode and leak in the system. Best CPU Cooling It was still working fine, no leaks or fan issues. Air coolers also tend to cost less than AIOs, though that line is blurring as well. That's not really content. [–]deegwaren 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). Tom's Hardware is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Heat cycling (i.e., expansion) of copper is also nothing. Most homes aren’t well cooled for that radiator to work as hoped. There is a graph on top of the page but comparing two fans that way is a PITA compared to the old site. No self-edtiorialized titles, just copy the title of the site, with the exception of clickbait titles. [–]Evokovil 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (1 child), /u/-protonsandneutrons- The thermalbench reviewer writes for techpowerup now I think or did last year when I was looking for fans, [–]-protonsandneutrons- 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago (0 children). That's quite the oversite there Tom's Hardware. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago* (0 children). You will receive a verification email shortly. This is simply not true. [–]buildzoid 56 points57 points58 points 9 months ago (4 children), [–]jtm94 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (3 children). [–]some_craic_dealer 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). No submissions to crowdfunding sites or ongoing campaigns. Information like that should be listed in a review like this. Often used in sports, [–]RealLifeHunter 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). I had to replace the fans about a year ago. I've been running a Kraken X61 for five years now. Even the longest U-shaped heatpipes are ~40 centimeters, i.e., the Noctua DH-15, so ~48 micrometers of total expansion. Those pumps can’t pass water fast enough or in large quantities as truly needed for extended use. [–]Gaffots 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago* (23 children). [–]wankthisway 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). CPU speed won't change unless you get to the ~85C range, which even on an overclocked CPU with a half decent case and cooler is very rare. 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